tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18101458.post9052649803114779607..comments2024-02-16T15:14:36.719-06:00Comments on Wet Noodle Posse: Mistakes writers make with their GH entriesMJFredrickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06881706931355203700noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18101458.post-46015882134447665982008-10-13T18:32:00.000-05:002008-10-13T18:32:00.000-05:00Thank you, Theresa. Good call -- I will find out f...Thank you, Theresa. Good call -- I will find out from RWA for sure before I start fiddling with cutting the partial. :)Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01338191914513562020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18101458.post-18414966980760020732008-10-12T21:06:00.000-05:002008-10-12T21:06:00.000-05:00Anna, I think you should email RWA with that quest...Anna, I think you should email RWA with that question just to make absolutely sure...but I think it will be fine if there is more in the full mss than there is in the partial...or even if it is a little different. I have changes hooks, etc., in my partial and left the full mss as is...and I never had a problem. <BR/><BR/>Lots of luck with the GH!!!!Theresa Raganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15815320170046221853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18101458.post-32846866025417569692008-10-11T10:18:00.000-05:002008-10-11T10:18:00.000-05:00I hope it's not too late to post a GH question...I hope it's not too late to post a GH question. (I've had an extremely busy week at the day job and am just now catching up on my blogs & email.) <BR/><BR/>My question: does the first fifty pages of the partial entry have to match the MS entry? If you cut scene from the partial and it shows up in the MS within the first fifty pages because the story doesn't move forward properly without it -- is that cause for disqualification?Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01338191914513562020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18101458.post-28227563701653797102008-10-10T22:00:00.000-05:002008-10-10T22:00:00.000-05:00Thanks, Noodlers and Norah. Wisdom to ponder. *g*...Thanks, Noodlers and Norah. Wisdom to ponder. *g*M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07498466631016466048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18101458.post-27232539258569918132008-10-10T10:02:00.000-05:002008-10-10T10:02:00.000-05:00I wanted to comment briefly on the flip-side of en...I wanted to comment briefly on the flip-side of ending your entry early (on a hook, of course).<BR/><BR/>If you go the distance using all 55 pages alotted to you and stop mid-paragraph, or heaven forbid, mid-sentence, you end on a weak note. And you NEVER want to end your entry on a weak note.<BR/><BR/>At GH time, a strong hook is your best friend!Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02266512740975317934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18101458.post-71945646465884738342008-10-10T05:01:00.000-05:002008-10-10T05:01:00.000-05:00Diane said: "...one thing I've cut is backstory. F...Diane said: "...one thing I've cut is backstory. For the book the backstory is important but for a GH entry it might not be."<BR/><BR/>Excellent example, Diane. Thank you!Norah Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01151103954061826427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18101458.post-90121078282838687972008-10-10T05:00:00.000-05:002008-10-10T05:00:00.000-05:00Elyssa, I really wouldn't sweat the font too much....Elyssa, I really wouldn't sweat the font too much. I finalled in 01, 02 and 03, when the paranoia was more rampant. No reasonable font choice or size will bring down the wrath of judges. Courier 12 is not terribly attractive, but has a traditional place in publishing and still represents the standard for some folks. TNR, a proportional serif font, makes printed matter look very attractive. I wouldn't go with a sans serif font like Arial; that's more suitable for on line reading. I've seen some nice entries in TNR 13 (I think; heck, it could have been TNR 12.5). It's a nice compromise. I've also seen TNR 14, which somehow looks way too big to be asthetically pleasing. <BR/><BR/>I know, way too much thought about font type/size. Basically, it should be the least of your worries. If your entry rocks, I would still love it if it's in Franklin Gothic.Norah Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01151103954061826427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18101458.post-55626693953496949052008-10-09T22:58:00.000-05:002008-10-09T22:58:00.000-05:00m, to add to mo's and Norah's explanation on how t...m, to add to mo's and Norah's explanation on how to get to that great hook, one thing I've cut is backstory. For the book the backstory is important but for a GH entry it might not be. <BR/><BR/>Elyssa, don't agonize about the font. If you're happy with TNR instead of Courier New, use it.Diane Gastonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14770373530197339170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18101458.post-156908188184099612008-10-09T22:12:00.000-05:002008-10-09T22:12:00.000-05:00So you would recommend to someone submitting to GH...So you would recommend to someone submitting to GH to use Courier New 12 over Times New Roman 12?Elyssa Papahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01114769833125426437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18101458.post-80899340855274550782008-10-09T17:26:00.000-05:002008-10-09T17:26:00.000-05:00Elyssa,I don't think the ms. has to end at 50 pp....Elyssa,<BR/>I don't think the ms. has to end at 50 pp. I think the rule is the whole entry can be 55 pages, with the synopsis being no morethan 15 pages. My shortest synopsis for a GH submission was 3 double spaced pages, so I could use the other 52 for manuscript. Of course, I wasn't bold enough to use TNR 12, or it would have fit comfortably with a 5 page synopsis. The font paranoia seems to have subsided, but I still favor Courier New 12 to guard against possible resentment on the part of the judge. (I never penalize entries that use small proportional fonts, but I confess I do sigh when I start one. Of course, if it's high quality, I quickly forget about font size. Whole 'nother story if it's boring and/or badly written, though.)Norah Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01151103954061826427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18101458.post-48688755614564905202008-10-09T16:59:00.000-05:002008-10-09T16:59:00.000-05:00So can you end your manuscript at page 53 and have...So can you end your manuscript at page 53 and have a two-paged synopsis? I thought for some reason the manuscipt had to end at page 50.Elyssa Papahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01114769833125426437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18101458.post-60878217106717947402008-10-09T12:29:00.000-05:002008-10-09T12:29:00.000-05:00Mo H: I've don that before, too! Moved the chapter...Mo H: I've don that before, too! Moved the chapter break or rearranged things, then had to go back to sharpen up the hook. It's a good idea to do a sweep through your ms. with that mindset, checking that the hooks are there and as good as they can be.<BR/><BR/>Gillian: "write space". Ha! You crack me up too.<BR/><BR/>M.: What I meant is this: Say you have a 98,000 word story has a pacing to it that's right for its lenght. And the killer hook you're dying to get into your GH entry is at p. 68. If you feel you must condense to get there, instead of getting all the extra space from trimming those other things that compromise voice, maybe you can snip selectively. For instance, if your heroine has a roommate that we're introduced to in a sprawling, colorful way that fits that 98,000 word story, perhaps you can shrink that scene/partial scene to the bare bones. Reader still gets, "Okay, kooky roommate noted" (or whatever) and moves on. As long as the pacing of the shorter GH entry version is good, this is okay. It's fair. You'd still submit the whole manuscript with the more sprawling scene where your first act ending hook comes at p. 68. But you can't have someone take some dramatic action at the end of Act I for the sake of an excitement. It has to belong in the story and feel organic to it. Make any more sense?<BR/><BR/>Teresa: Good job interpreting/extapolating on my less than clear message. :-)Norah Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01151103954061826427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18101458.post-89443092415721895542008-10-09T11:08:00.000-05:002008-10-09T11:08:00.000-05:00I love all of this advice, Norah.I like to keep th...I love all of this advice, Norah.<BR/><BR/>I like to keep the writing flowing as I go, turn off the internal critique monster and go, go, go. For me, that helps bring out the "voice" because nothing's stopping you/me. And then, once that first draft is done, I concentrate on making sure those hooks are there at the end of the chapters.<BR/><BR/>M, I think what Norah was saying in her bonus tip was that you want to end your GH ENTRY with a hook, but you don't want to ADD a hook that doesn't belong or TAKE OUT necessary info to make the GH entry 55 pages as allowed in the Golden Heart. For example, if I can end my GH entry on page 40 with a good hook (which adds up to 48 pages with an 8 page synopsis) then that's what I'll do. I won't tack on another 7 pages of my manuscript just to get to the 55 pages allowed.<BR/><BR/>Gosh, let me know if I confused you even more. :)Theresa Raganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15815320170046221853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18101458.post-36880746191931034722008-10-09T10:36:00.000-05:002008-10-09T10:36:00.000-05:00Hi, all made sense except for the bonus tip. I wo...Hi, <BR/>all made sense except for the bonus tip. I wonder if you could expand a little, or else maybe give an example for this easily confused writer???M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07498466631016466048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18101458.post-61427258483181420752008-10-09T08:49:00.000-05:002008-10-09T08:49:00.000-05:00Ha, 'write' space. Sheesh, I crack myself up. Time...Ha, 'write' space. Sheesh, I crack myself up. Time for another Diet Coke, I think. :)Gillian Laynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15772849187702478349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18101458.post-18501219614185711312008-10-09T08:47:00.000-05:002008-10-09T08:47:00.000-05:00Great advice, Norah.And amen on the write space. N...Great advice, Norah.<BR/><BR/>And amen on the write space. Never underestimate the power of the white space. As a reader, that's what my eyes 'demand' after a while.Gillian Laynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15772849187702478349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18101458.post-78160723623988898002008-10-09T08:40:00.000-05:002008-10-09T08:40:00.000-05:00Norah,It's funny you should mention hooks today. I...Norah,<BR/>It's funny you should mention hooks today. I'm revising a YA and noticing that some of my hooks aren't strong enough because I moved some things around including chapter endings. So once I get everything else done, that's what I'm doing next--checking paragraph, scene, and chapter hooks and improving them!Mo Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13644902211036445323noreply@blogger.com